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Comment on Omnivores and Cockroaches by larry

larry — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:17:14 +0000

Here’s a good video on meat: http://meat.org

Comment on Owning 3 Chickens on 12 Acres by bitt

bitt — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 05:18:32 +0000

Great explanation of welfare versus rights. This is the main divide on issues that basically seperate vegans from vegetarians.

As for what to do with the eggs, I worked on a bird sanctuary and we hard-boiled the eggs and fed them to back to the birds. Often sanctuaries will give the wool back to the sheep for bedding.

PETA sucks. It promotes killing of companion animals and has even done so.

Comment on Sleight of Ham by Rad Gal

Rad Gal — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:58:01 +0000

This is an excellent post. The whole B12 argument (much like the “we have fangs, so we are natural meat-eaters) is bantered about too often.

Also, your site is adorable, and I am subscribing to your RSS, Space Vegans!

Comment on Owning 3 Chickens on 12 Acres by Jason Dunn

Jason Dunn — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:12:16 +0000

PETA promotes welfarist style reform. Bigger cages, comfier ways to kill chickens. Gary Francione addresses this very well in his article, "The Four Problems of Animal Welfare: In a Nutshell."

Comment on Owning 3 Chickens on 12 Acres by Hillary

Hillary — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:05:10 +0000

Interesting read! I think your heart is definitely in the right place, and I agree with about all you’ve said here, but I don’t think these specific questions were addressed. If a person is saving battery hens and giving them a fabulous life, I don’t see what use it is to throw eggs away. It in no way harms or abuses chickens, nor is it morally suggestive of slavery to casually collect in the natural process of egg laying hens.
Slavery, racism, and speciesism are all very serious accusations, but it sounds like your friend would like to treat these hens with respect and affection, and has no plans to exploit them in any way. It is important to send the message that breeding animals for product is wrong, but the rescue animals need sanctuary. I am certain that if I was a chicken, I would be pleased to share my eggs in this situation. As a human who has shared her own eggs, I suppose maybe my view is unique.
Anyway, I appreciate your compassion.

Comment on Owning 3 Chickens on 12 Acres by Paula

Paula — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:51:20 +0000

I’m wondering what your answer to whether keeping any animal as a pet would be at odds to a vegan life is. (You may have answered that question in there and I just missed it. If so, sorry!)

I have six cats, one adopted from a no-kill shelter, the rest taken in off the street (or out of my backyard) in various states of ill-health. I don’t gain really anything from them except that I like them. Some of them like me. Some of them would prefer that I let them outside or allow them to go crazy or something, but I don’t. I don’t recognize their right as individuals to put themselves in danger.

I also plan, once I am in a position to do so (house and yard situation sorted), to adopt two chickens from rescue organizations. I won’t let them procreate, and I’ll listen to a vet on how best to make sure that doesn’t happen. They’ll be cared for as pets like my cats. And I’ll eat whatever eggs they produce.

Until then, I don’t eat eggs. If the chickens pass on, I won’t eat eggs until I adopt more. If whatever chickens I adopted couldn’t for some reason produce eggs, I would love them and keep them as pets regardless.

If a human moved into my house (or into a little house in my backyard with a big outdoor covered area to protect them from urban predators), I wouldn’t mind if they kicked in a few bucks every once in a while to pay the bills. If they needed a place to stay and couldn’t help out, that’s cool, too, wouldn’t kick them out, but it’s nice.

So if I adopt a chicken from a rescue organization, should I throw the eggs away? I don’t see why. It’s not doing nothing to the chicken to eat them.

Maybe fictitiously eating the eggs of chickens I fictitiously own makes me a bad vegan. Ehh. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it make me a bad example of veganism. Nah.

Comment on Owning 3 Chickens on 12 Acres by Sometimes Satan Comes As a Man of Peace « tim gier

Sometimes Satan Comes As a Man of Peace « tim gier — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:13:41 +0000

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Comment on Owning 3 Chickens on 12 Acres by Kate

Kate — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:52:25 +0000

Wow, great response! Though I will say that PETA is now leaning more toward true veganism and animal rights concerns. Thanks for posting such a logical and even-handed response.

Comment on Welfarism is Speciesist by Animal Interrupted | Masked Avenger and Animal Rights Blogger &raquo WELFARISM EASES THE OMNIVORE’S DILEMMA, NOT THE ANIMALS’ «

Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:43:48 +0000

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Comment on What if the Killing Was Painless? by Cris Melo

Cris Melo — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 05:50:41 +0000

There’s absolutely no justification/reason/argument strong enough to explain this fundamental disassociation. Killing animals for food is inhumane, unkind, criminal, selfish, etc. I could go on. If it was done to dogs, we would be appalled, as we are when we see the Chinese. So, right there, it’s the proof of our selective choices. They are *choices* that come from habitual thinking. There’s nothing else beyond that. We justify in our minds by using a million excuses. It still doesn’t change what it really is. I’d rather hear the truth “I’m used to doing it, I like it, and I don’t care how it’s done”. I’d respect that more than the excuses.